tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4432771188531629231.post7372888148632664009..comments2023-11-03T02:56:11.272-05:00Comments on Irate Gamer Sucks: Kirby's Epic Yarn and IG's Awful ReviewBatDanNighthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02654810198690066965noreply@blogger.comBlogger108125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4432771188531629231.post-39549834555377740202011-04-03T11:26:41.806-05:002011-04-03T11:26:41.806-05:00Meh, I stopped caring, you can think of what you w...Meh, I stopped caring, you can think of what you want, I think you already grasped my points anyway. Let's end this, right? ;DArthur Arneirohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14769962299571759354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4432771188531629231.post-32551029240577304562011-03-30T20:00:20.992-05:002011-03-30T20:00:20.992-05:00"Elijah, I have to ask one thing. HOW can you..."Elijah, I have to ask one thing. HOW can you dislike a game with those 5 elements put into it"<br /><br />How can I dislike a game that has those five elements? EVERY game has those five elements. What a ridiculous question. Not every game achieves the same thing with those five categories though.<br /><br />"That's what I didn't understand when you mentioned you disliked SMG2."<br /><br />There is something in life called aesthetics. Not everyone is entertained by or favors the same things. While still being mature and intelligent enough to recognize the qualities of the thing they dislike.<br /><br />"And let me remind you that you have ridiculous reasons for disliking Epic Yarn."<br /><br />I do not have a ridiculous reason for disliking KEY. Having a semblance of challenge is what makes a game a game. That's what games inherently are. KEY doesn't have this except for generic item fetching and buying useless things. Instead what it has is laughable challenge (EVEN FOR KIRBY STANDARDS) and a gimmicky look.<br /><br />What sells it to people is the Kirby name and/or loyalty to Nintendo. There is nothing else exceptional about the game or even very good about it. If it was made by a different company with a different character most of the people pretending (even to themselves) to like it would be hating on it everywhere.<br /><br />That is what my original gripe was and is about. I hate that attitude and you and several other people in this review page displayed this shallowness in spades.Elijahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03194948370167232555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4432771188531629231.post-41591455898104088782011-03-30T13:20:37.153-05:002011-03-30T13:20:37.153-05:00Elijah, I have to ask one thing. HOW can you disli...Elijah, I have to ask one thing. HOW can you dislike a game with those 5 elements put into it? That's what I didn't understand when you mentioned you disliked SMG2.<br /><br />And let me remind you that you have ridiculous reasons for disliking Epic Yarn. I'm not using fanboyism (Psst! Hey, a hint: FOR THE MILLIONTH TIME, I'M NOT A KIRBY FANBOY!), I'm using common sense. And before you say my reasons for liking such games are ridiculous too, let me say: I like games for what makes them great, AKA: The 5 elements. That's why I like some games that most people don't.Arthur Arneirohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14769962299571759354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4432771188531629231.post-47312891593605176262011-03-26T17:37:09.019-05:002011-03-26T17:37:09.019-05:00No I understand it just fine. You just contradicte...No I understand it just fine. You just contradicted yourself though. Those five elements aren't good when it comes to Kirby's Epic Yarn. That is what you aren't understanding. Your favoritism (i.e. fanboyism) clouds your judgment. You are incapable of measuring the worth of those five attributes independently of your own prejudices.<br /><br />What I described to you before is the basis of critical evaluation of games. I can recognize the creativity, effort, and merits of a game without liking the game. There are many many many games I do not like but can recognize they are good games for what they are.<br /><br />If that is so hard for you to understand I don't know how to make it clearer to you.Elijahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03194948370167232555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4432771188531629231.post-90886051140792197122011-03-26T11:03:31.255-05:002011-03-26T11:03:31.255-05:00@Elijah
Just because I'm a Nintendo fanboy do...@Elijah<br /><br />Just because I'm a Nintendo fanboy doesn't mean I'm a Kirby fanboy and doesn't mean I have to like everything Nintendo puts out. I like Kirby's Epic Yarn because I just like it, not because I'm some braindead fanboy.<br /><br />And yes, it really is a hard concept for me to understand. Gameplay, graphics, storyline, music, and creativity. If all these things are good, then I classify a game as instantly awesome. Beacause even if there are downsides to such games, they pale in comparison to the five upsides mentioned above. I think THIS is hard for you to understand.Arthur Arneirohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14769962299571759354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4432771188531629231.post-58844740912904476722011-03-24T16:50:25.874-05:002011-03-24T16:50:25.874-05:00"Then your thoughts are wrong, I'm not a ..."Then your thoughts are wrong, I'm not a Kirby fanboy. Case in point: I only own 1 Kirby game."<br /><br />Then you are a Nintendo fanboy. Learn to read all of what I say instead of just the key parts.<br /><br />"You say SMG2 has all it takes to be a good game yet you say you dislike it? Excuse me, I gotta get a new brain because this one just exploded."<br /><br />Is it really that hard a concept for you to grasp? Do you have to like everything before you can agree to its qualities? Are you really that shallow? You are incapable of separating your personal preferences from evaluating something on an artistic level? Really? Wow...<br /><br />"When Motherplayer mentioned casual gaming you replied "It's the worst thing to happen to gaming." Are you gonna deny this comment even existed?"<br /><br />I said that the AMOUNT of casual games flooding the market was the worst thing to happen to gaming. Not casual games period. I have enjoyed many casual games on many occasions. It was YOU and Motherplayer that tried painting me as some "hardcore or nothing" Gradius gamer. I've never played Gradius for your information. Closest I got was playing Lifeforce/Salamander. I prefer R-Type anyway for difficult shooters (whenever I feel like playing such games).Elijahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03194948370167232555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4432771188531629231.post-63102289238771622212011-03-24T15:53:33.260-05:002011-03-24T15:53:33.260-05:00@Elijah
Then your thoughts are wrong, I'm not...@Elijah<br /><br />Then your thoughts are wrong, I'm not a Kirby fanboy. Case in point: I only own 1 Kirby game.<br /><br />You say SMG2 has all it takes to be a good game yet you say you dislike it? Excuse me, I gotta get a new brain because this one just exploded.<br /><br />When Motherplayer mentioned casual gaming you replied "It's the worst thing to happen to gaming." Are you gonna deny this comment even existed?Arthur Arneirohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14769962299571759354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4432771188531629231.post-29228570928827426432011-03-22T17:34:56.688-05:002011-03-22T17:34:56.688-05:00No no no. Not "where did I say you are a kirb...No no no. Not "where did I say you are a kirby fanboy". Where did I say casual games are the worst thing ever? I ignored your entire first paragraph as it is all about you crying about how you aren't a Kirby fanboy and the things you don't have in your room. It didn't matter to me.<br /><br />Sorry I didn't make it clearer what I was talking about. I assumed (wrongly I see now) that the rest of my comment would be context enough for the denial of my first paragraph.<br /><br />I do still think you are a Kirby or Nintendo fanboy. That's my opinion of you and everyone else who praises this game beyond its merits. <br /><br />Let me give you an idea. Remember when SMG2 was mentioned? I dislike that game quite a bit. However I can say it is a good game by measuring its quality as a game. I can separate my hate for the game from measuring its quality. You are unable to separate your love for Kirby/Nintendo from measuring Kirby's Epic Yarn.Elijahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03194948370167232555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4432771188531629231.post-7690128995810894332011-03-22T13:24:29.210-05:002011-03-22T13:24:29.210-05:00@Elijah
Troll? If I was one, I'd disguise mys...@Elijah<br /><br />Troll? If I was one, I'd disguise myself as anon8844 or something. Also, where DIDN'T you say that I was a Kirby fanboy?<br /><br />And you still think I like it because of Kirby even though I refuted this argument every time you applied it to me?Arthur Arneirohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14769962299571759354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4432771188531629231.post-48333170297399247272011-03-17T17:38:25.533-05:002011-03-17T17:38:25.533-05:00Where did I say that? You are inventing things in ...Where did I say that? You are inventing things in your head or just blatantly lying. Was I wrong about you? Are you in fact a troll? Is this all apart of your plan? >.><br /><br />I never insulted casual gamers. I never said all games have to be hardcore. The ONLY thing I said about that subject was that there are TOO MANY casual games being made now days (as in it isn't balanced) because they bring in more players and make companies more money at the expense of gameplay.<br /><br />I didn't enjoy it. I didn't hate it either though. It was mediocre. Not worth investing much time into. That's my opinion of course. If you remember the original point of this conversation was my gripe about all the undeserved praise you all lavished on the game. I still stand by that the only reason you all praise it so much is because of who made the game and who is in the game. It's that simple.Elijahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03194948370167232555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4432771188531629231.post-53753742546476750022011-03-17T12:29:33.961-05:002011-03-17T12:29:33.961-05:00@Elijah
You still think I'm a Kirby fanboy? O...@Elijah<br /><br />You still think I'm a Kirby fanboy? OK, understandable, since I haven't refuted that yet. The answer to your blind statement is no, I'm not a Kirby fanboy. In fact, I only own ONE Kirby game, have ZERO posters hung on my wall, and have left ZERO comments saying "KIRBY ROX! LOLOLOLOLOL". How does that make me a fanboy?<br /><br />How am I not honest?<br /><br />You contradicted yourself, then, you said that casual games are the worst thing ever, then you say you don't mind them.<br /><br />OK, OK... Maybe I was exaggerating when I said you insulted Motherplayer.<br /><br />Lastly, did you enjoy the game? You had fun with it?Arthur Arneirohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14769962299571759354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4432771188531629231.post-17015451183224087572011-03-16T23:20:34.672-05:002011-03-16T23:20:34.672-05:00@Arthur Arneiro
Please. Please. Pleeease take the...@Arthur Arneiro<br /><br />Please. Please. Pleeease take the time to read what I say instead of inventing things to argue against. Calling a game mediocre because it fails extremely hard in difficulty (WHILE ALSO not being that outstanding in any other fashion) is not me saying difficulty is the only thing that matters.<br /><br />I mean I understand that you really really really love Kirby. I understand that the slightest thing said against it upsets you. It's just ridiculous that you can't at least be honest. I have said it's mediocre and I have said why. I haven't said it's bad and I haven't gave any indication that games have to be hardcore to matter. IN FACT I said I don't mind a good assortment of easy games being in the market for those who like them. If you had you know... TAKEN THE TIME TO READ WHAT I SAID.<br /><br />Lastly I didn't insult Motherplayer. I responded to his sarcastic sidestep of the conversation. Which you would have realized as well if you did the last thing I described in the previous paragraph.Elijahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03194948370167232555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4432771188531629231.post-29014530809194444192011-03-14T17:49:49.040-05:002011-03-14T17:49:49.040-05:00@Elijah
You don't have to say that, your extr...@Elijah<br /><br />You don't have to say that, your extreme reaction is a tell-tale sign. <br />By saying that casual gaming is bad, you're automatically praising hardcore gaming beacause you sure act like difficulty is the only thing that matters. Can't you like a game for more cerebral reasons, other than a million bullets on screen?<br /><br />And nice insult to Motherplayer here, who was just trying to make your very questionable taste in gaming broaden, if even a little.<br /><br />Now please go back to your Gradius, while I go back to my wide variety variety of games that you insist that they are the worst thing ever.Arthur Arneirohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14769962299571759354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4432771188531629231.post-73773908349735626812011-03-11T21:26:07.663-06:002011-03-11T21:26:07.663-06:00@Motherplayer
Oookay! You sure schooled me with y...@Motherplayer<br /><br />Oookay! You sure schooled me with your wit. Also it's nice to know that pointing out someone else's fallacies on a subject makes me shallow and one-dimensional.<br /><br />What a fool I was to think that 100% item/point/thing collection wasn't the heart and soul of gameplay challenge. You sure showed me the light with your awesome insults and use of sarcasm.Elijahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03194948370167232555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4432771188531629231.post-21373300216536801962011-03-11T18:15:30.350-06:002011-03-11T18:15:30.350-06:00@Elijah
Ha ha ha but in all seriousness I'm d...@Elijah<br /><br />Ha ha ha but in all seriousness I'm done here. Your sense for gaming is too shallow and one-dimentional for my taste.Motherplayerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12904671208044717027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4432771188531629231.post-69854889780872682011-03-11T17:46:27.768-06:002011-03-11T17:46:27.768-06:00@Elijah
Oh excuse me oh smart one. Cleary you are...@Elijah<br /><br />Oh excuse me oh smart one. Cleary you are the athroity on how to determine whats adds to replay value and what doesnt. Clearly I'll need to consult you in any future games I play.<br /><br />(BTW that was scarcasm and I'm rolling my eyes. ^^)Motherplayerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12904671208044717027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4432771188531629231.post-29852052553781193472011-03-11T17:23:56.040-06:002011-03-11T17:23:56.040-06:00@Arthur Arneiro
*facepalm* Really now when did I ...@Arthur Arneiro<br /><br />*facepalm* Really now when did I say anything about hard games take more effort to make? Stop grasping for anything to defend your precious.<br /><br />@Motherplayer<br /><br />100% collection of items is not a challenge. It's a time sink. I think it's time you learn the difference.Elijahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03194948370167232555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4432771188531629231.post-82891946891494693042011-03-11T14:40:22.501-06:002011-03-11T14:40:22.501-06:00@Arthur
I have an idea. Lets forget this guy and ...@Arthur<br /><br />I have an idea. Lets forget this guy and keep on topic. Well I for one very much enjoyed the game and to be honest I didnt relize I couldnt dies in the game til near the end of the game. I mean just because you cant die doesnt mean you should try to not show any effort. I only got about 80 percent in as the mini game challenges prove to take some time.Motherplayerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12904671208044717027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4432771188531629231.post-12551053219187915062011-03-11T11:50:52.833-06:002011-03-11T11:50:52.833-06:00@Elijah
Here's the ideal game for you: You...@Elijah<br /><br />Here's the ideal game for you: You're flying/running around, can't take a single hit, there are a million projectiles on screen, and each boss takes 1000 hits to kill. I could make a game like this in minutes with Game Maker. The easier games have a lot more effort put into them than the hardcore ones, and you say the easier games are the WORST thing to happen to gaming? Cut me some slack...Arthur Arneirohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14769962299571759354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4432771188531629231.post-86206963904730667092011-03-10T22:50:36.240-06:002011-03-10T22:50:36.240-06:00@Arthur
He's right acually. To be honest its ...@Arthur<br /><br />He's right acually. To be honest its fine if he feels this way cause reguardless it doesnt change the fact that the game was both reviewer and sales sucessful so it did its job well and thats you need to know. There will always be critics here and there and no one will really care what they say especially in a backwater site like this. <br /><br />@Elijah<br /><br />As a last note to you unless you completed the game 100%, get all items, furniture, hidden levels, gold metals on EVERY stage and such you have no right to say whats diffcult and whats not cause even 100% percent in epic yarn will still be a challenge and trust me I've tried and thank you for making it seem like difficulty is all you care about in a game. It seems to be either make it or break it for you so in that essance I could see why you hate this era. People are wierd.Motherplayerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12904671208044717027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4432771188531629231.post-64437696663927911552011-03-10T16:05:41.475-06:002011-03-10T16:05:41.475-06:00@Arthur Arneiro
Of course I gave the game a chanc...@Arthur Arneiro<br /><br />Of course I gave the game a chance. I like Kirby well enough and I don't have anything against Kirby running around in a yarn world with radically different abilities.<br /><br />The game's lack of any difficulty hurts it a lot in my opinion. It's music isn't all that great (with no songs I would call memorable). It's graphics are decent in context. So what can I say about the game? It's mediocre. Not bad, not good. Worth buying and playing if you don't mind not being challenged. It certainly isn't some Holy Grail that needs to be protected tooth and nail from any and all criticism.Elijahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03194948370167232555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4432771188531629231.post-52478358415318237502011-03-10T12:14:17.559-06:002011-03-10T12:14:17.559-06:00@Elijah
Did you give the game a chance or are you...@Elijah<br /><br />Did you give the game a chance or are you going to continue whining about my points not being valid?Arthur Arneirohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14769962299571759354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4432771188531629231.post-46758341801221545442011-03-09T21:01:18.235-06:002011-03-09T21:01:18.235-06:00@Elijah
All I really dont like myself is that the...@Elijah<br /><br />All I really dont like myself is that their are FAR too many marketing games out their. That personally is my only complaint as you see FAR too many games based on T.V. shows or game shows and their are rarely ever worth the time. Its just guys thinking "Hey because this show is popular how bout we make a game and put no effort in it to stand out somehow. We need a couple of extra dollars and we need to capitalize on the craze while we still can." Thats why I dont like it myself. But then again I dont try to focus on it because if I did I'd never have any fun playing the newer stuff that would be worth your time. So I say focus on those "few exceptions" and ignore everything else. Does no good to be mad about it cause like it or not you have to except it and the sooner you do, the sooner you can move on and enjoy yourself like I do. I dont know its just that anytime I hear someone say that, I think it more along the lines means "I'm not trying to enjoy myself with games that would appeal to my taste" or "I'm just gonna wine about how games back then were harder and because of that they are automatically better. As long as its hard no other factors matter."Motherplayerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12904671208044717027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4432771188531629231.post-42855551294001210032011-03-09T17:24:18.912-06:002011-03-09T17:24:18.912-06:00@Motherplayer
It is the worst thing to happen to ...@Motherplayer<br /><br />It is the worst thing to happen to gaming. It hasn't destroyed the industry no but it is still the worst thing to happen to it. Flooding the market with casual games is not good. Just because it brings in more people doesn't make it good. It has redefined what gaming is in a bad way.<br /><br />I don't hate casual gamers and I don't hate there being a lot of casual games for them to enjoy. That's not my point. My point is that the entire industry is geared toward that now except for a few exceptions.<br /><br />@Arthur Arneiro<br /><br />Are you still incapable of reading? You cited 4 CATEGORIES and labeled them GREAT. You might as well have not said anything because that would have had as much of an impact on the discussion. Just like I told you I could list those same CATEGORIES and then label them BAD and get the same effect. It was meaningless for you to do.<br /><br />Until you go into detail on them you might as well not have mentioned the categories. In fact you brought up irate gamer in reference to me earlier, well that's exactly the lack of detail he would use. He wouldn't say "great" but he would be just as lacking in detail as that.Elijahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03194948370167232555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4432771188531629231.post-73557641037201142382011-03-09T09:43:57.416-06:002011-03-09T09:43:57.416-06:00You said it, Motherplayer!
Elijah, remember that ...You said it, Motherplayer!<br /><br />Elijah, remember that I, at least cited 4 upsides. You listed only one, and you STILL think this one downside makes the game mediocre. Here's what you should do:<br /><br />1 - Give the game a chance,<br />2 - Play it for at least 2 hours straight,<br />3 - Ask yourself this question: "Did I have fun while I was playing?"<br /><br />Trust me, this always works when you're trying to figure out if a game is worth your time or not.Arthur Arneirohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14769962299571759354noreply@blogger.com